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March 1, 2002

 

Thiel PowerPoint Surface-Mount Loudspeakers

thiel_powerpoint2.jpg (3556 bytes)The biggest problem most people have with home theater is not the size of the monitors (everybody wants a bigger TV) or even the cost (those $10,000 plasma sets are flying out of the stores). No, the sticking point for most people is where to put all those extra speakers.

Actually, if you watch the home-porn on HGTV or read the nesting press like Architectural Digest, you'd be forgiven for thinking that, if left to their own devices, designers would just as soon ban all loudspeakers from rooms.

Now, I'm an audiophile, myself. I figure, what's the point of having floor space, if not to have a blank surface to put speakers on? And if Anthony Powell opined that Books Do Furnish A Room, I feel the same way about speakers. Why heck, the most comfortable rooms I've ever been in have been filled with books, records, and speakers. But then, no room I've ever lived in is in the slightest danger of appearing on the cover of Architectural Digest.

So what do you do if you have a designer room that you want to use for home theater -- or even if your room is already so stuffed with speakers, books, and records that you have nowhere to put any extra speakers?

Most people rely on in-wall or on-wall loudspeakers. However, until recently, in-wall loudspeakers were pretty much aimed at industrial applications such as restaurants, stores, malls, and the like. They were more about disappearing than they were about sounding good. That's changed in the last decade or so, but in-walls are hard to review, so that's still a pretty well-kept secret.

On-wall speakers have lagged behind the in-walls, simply because they aren't as sexy. You've still got something that looks like a speaker in the room, so designers avoid 'em like the undead shun garlic. And speaker companies sort of treat 'em like their ugly sisters -- they include 'em in the literature, but they don't introduce 'em to all their friends.

Lying in bed would be an altogether perfect and supreme experience if only one had a colored pencil long enough to draw on the ceiling.

The Thiel PowerPoints are different, though. Boy, are they different! First, Thiel is proud of 'em -- in fact, Jim Thiel tells me, strictly based on dollar amounts, they were the company's No. 1 selling product last year.

Further, they're kind of sexy looking. They're wedge-shaped -- they look like a doorstop writ large. Mounted on a wall or ceiling, they look more like modest bulges than like speakers stuck on the wall. And they're paintable, so they blend in even more than you might think -- in fact, Thiel includes a paint-mask, so you can conveniently paint the entire PowerPoint, including the grille, without threatening the speaker's coaxial driver.

Nor are the PowerPoints just an afterthought product, added to the line to make it competitive. That's not the way Jim Thiel works. One thing that has always distinguished Thiel as a speaker line is the way it adheres to Jim's speaker-building philosophies. There are certain features shared by all Thiel products. Jim believes in time-aligned arrays, which ensure that all of the drivers launch a music wave simultaneously. He also believes that first-order crossovers, which maintain the phase integrity of the musical signal throughout the speaker’s entire frequency response, are the only technically correct approach. And he thinks that his crossovers must be constructed from the finest components. thiel_powerpoint2.jpg (3556 bytes)And that speakers should be solidly built and rigidly braced. So that's the way Jim builds all his speakers -- and to ensure that they're all as close to his idea of perfection as possible, these days, Jim designs and constructs all his own drivers in-house.

The PowerPoint features a custom-built driver based on the coaxial driver Jim designed for his SCS3 multimedia speaker. The 1" dome tweeter -- the same one used in Thiel's $13,500 CS-7.2 -- is mounted coaxially with the woofer, which is to say that it is located in the center of the woofer cone so that its wave can launch at the same time as the woofer's.

The tweeter uses a special magnet structure made of neodymium magnets, which are expensive but extremely powerful. These magnets give the speaker high output capability and low distortion.

The 6.5" woofer uses the same two-layer diaphragm as the SCS3. There is an aluminum layer bonded to a lightweight cast polystyrene layer to ensure its rigidity. The cone has a specially designed shallow flare to prevent it from acting like a horn for the tweeter. (To get an idea why that's bad, cup your hands around your mouth and speak -- that's what a horn does to a sound source.) However, the PowerPoint places certain physical requirements on the driver -- it needs to keep quite close to the wall, so the SCS3's magnet system had to be redesigned to employ higher-output neodymium magnets in order to keep the driver's motor-system compact.

Like all Thiel loudspeakers, the PowerPoints employ a complex first-order network using many polypropylene and polystyrene capacitors. "Well," Jim Thiel allows, "By our standards, it's not really complex -- it is just a two-way design, after all. There are some small changes we had to make because it's designed to use on a boundary, so we had to correct for the emphasis you do get in the lower midrange and bass regions."

Dancing on the ceiling . . .

thiel_powerpoint2.jpg (3556 bytes)The shell is thermo-formed 3/8"-thick plastic, heated and vacuum-formed to its complex shape. It is rigidly braced from the inside, so that the whole is quite inert. And small -- it's only 19.75"L x 12.25"W x 5.5"H.

And the PowerPoints cost $1300 each. That's a hefty price tag for such a small speaker, but -- packed with premium parts, custom-built drivers and custom-built motor systems -- the PowerPoints aren't built like mass-produced products. They're essentially cost-no-object devices built to optimize performance in what other designers have deemed a compromised situation.

It's obvious that Jim Thiel doesn't see it that way. "When Kathy [Kathy Gornik, Thiel's president] said, 'We need an on-wall.' I went, 'Ohhhhhhhh-kay,'" Thiel said. "Originally, I just figured I'd take our coaxial driver and put it in a shallow cabinet with the driver mounted parallel to the wall, like all the other designs out there. I had some vague idea that I'd taper the cabinet to the wall to minimize diffraction."

The results weren't pretty. Thiel continued, "We mocked up something along those lines and we took the first measurements and saw that there was a big hole in the midrange caused by the reflection off the wall, even though I'd tapered the cabinet into the wall. That caused a cancellation where that distance equaled a quarter wavelength. That cancellation created a 6dB hole smack in the middle of the midrange and we just couldn't do that."

Then inspiration struck -- instead of trying to create a speaker that tried to compensate for its near-boundary location, what if it exploited it? "I got the idea that, if I mounted the driver close enough to the wall, and, if the driver was mounted at a significant angle to the wall (in the case of the PowerPoint, that angle is 45 degrees), at some higher frequency the dispersion will become less than 45 degrees. So, if you can get the driver close enough to the wall so that the frequency that is cancelled is higher than the frequencies that the driver can disperse at 45 degrees, then you won't have a cancellation because the frequency that would be cancelled is high enough that the driver is not dispersing energy at that frequency at a wide-enough angle to project energy against the wall.

"That was my idea -- and it turned out to work really well. The only complication in working it out was that, to get the driver close enough to the wall, we had to build a really shallow driver with a physically small magnet system. So we had to use a neodymium magnet system and design things a little differently."

Oh sure -- it sounds so easy when he says it.

"Only then did we start appreciating that there's a huge benefit in having the driver so close to the boundary that you essentially have no reflection from the boundary. Also, by having that driver at 45 degrees, there were advantages in room coverage and dispersion of energy throughout the room.

"Those benefits were serendipitous -- we didn't really have them in mind going into the project and, since the topology was developed in response to certain more obvious considerations, it still didn't occur to us that the design would offer these benefits. But when we listened to the finished product we realized we had something really cool!"

Adieu tristesse / Bonjour tristesse / Tu es inscrite dans les lignes du plafond.
(Farewell sadness / Good-day sadness / You are inscribed in the lines of the ceiling …)

Really cool, eh? That's about right -- the first time I heard my system with five PowerPoints set up, I just kept giggling and replaying parts of The Ghosts of Mars that sounded really impressive. This says a lot about how well the Thiels enveloped me with sound and not a whole heck of a lot for the quality of the movie, which was so uncompelling, I didn't mind interrupting it frequently.

But to be fair, I was having such a ball with the Thiels, I probably would have done the same thing with a movie that actually had characters I cared about. The five Thiels created environments that were totally sonically believable. Even though they're monopoles, and it's dipoles that are supposed to disappear and generate sound that doesn't seem to emanate from a specific location, the Thiels totally disappeared.

Actually, as I went through my selection of greatest-DVD surround-ambience hits, I came to the conclusion that I had never heard a more immersive system in a home -- the sound rivaled the sort of envelopment I have only heard in 42nd Street showcase cinemas.

I don't tend to revel in explosions, crashes, and giant lizard stomps -- although the Thiels do handle high-excursion silly sound levels with great aplomb -- I'm a bigger fan of the subtle sounds that emulate real life. Stuff like the rainfall and lightning taking place during Gene Hackman's big quayside speech in Crimson Tide or the changes in room acoustics as characters dash in and out of different rooms in the Pentagon in Clear and Present Danger or the simple sounds of the wind passing through the jungle in the same film.

Jonathan Demme is the master of mise en scéne or the setting up of the environment in which a film takes place. Nowhere is this more obvious than in The Silence of the Lambs, where every scene has the lived-in clutter and individual touches that distinguish rooms in real life and that movies and TV shows never get right. Places like the autopsy lab where Clarisse discovers the Death's Head moth or the victim's bedroom where Clarisse searches for clues have the disarray and jumbled minutia of real life. This attention to detail extends to the sonic landscape of the film, and the film distinguishes between rooms with a myriad of tiny sound cues. With the Thiels, shifts in scene were almost dizzying, and the longer the camera lingered in each environment, the more detail accrued. This is precisely what surround sound is supposed to be like and almost never is.

What the Thiels don't do is recreate deep bass. From about 75Hz to 20kHz, you couldn't ask for better response, but below that, nada. Well, fine, that's what subwoofers are for, but that puts the total system cost up there. I used the Polk PSW650, which is not only quite reasonably priced at $780, but a most effective partner to the Thiels. Rolling off the Thiels at about 80Hz made it possible to seamlessly blend the PowerPoints with the floor-mounted subwoofer.

When I spoke to Jim Thiel about his design process on the PowerPoints, he almost apologetically suggested that I listen to a pair of them as full-range speakers in a stereo configuration. No need for apologies -- they sounded fantastic! Just as the 5.1 system was completely enveloping, the two-channel system was practically holographic.

The men's chorus Chanticleer recently released a recording of John Tavener's Lamentations and Praises [Teldec Classics 0927-41342-2], a specially commissioned work for the group's 12 voices and a fascinating combination of instruments and electronics: flute, bass trombone, string quintet, tape, and a percussion section comprised of a Byzantine monastery bell, Tibetan temple bowl, tam-tam, simantron (a large wooden sounding-board struck with a hammer), tubular bells, and timpani.

The composer describes Lamentations and Praises as a "sequence of ikons" linked, as he explains in the score, "by a corridor of music." Through the recording, laid down at Skywalker Sound, the group essentially "stages" the work by exploiting different acoustics for the various scenes and connecting passages. The PowerPoints set me down in the midst of the changing acoustic, cushioned in the soft pillow of the reverberant sound of men's voices and the shifting instrumental textures. What a fabulous experience.

In fact, as I told Jim Thiel, it was better soundstaging than I had experienced with some very serious loudspeaker systems. "In a way, these speakers image better than a conventional floorstanding speaker," Jim explained, "because you don't have any equivalent floor reflection. By not having that boundary reflection to tell you the sound source is a certain distance away, you are more transported to the soundfield of the recording you're listening to." What he said!

Talk about an acoustic ceiling . . .

The last complete home-theater speaker system I reviewed consisted of the Polk LSi15, LSiC, LSi7, and PSW650 -- a system that retails for just over $3900. A system comprised of five Thiel PowerPoints and the Polk PSW650 retails for a little over $7100.

Both systems were immersive and dynamic, but there were noticeable differences between the two. The front three Polks worked extremely well together and offered a greater sense of slam in loud and clamorous scenes, but they couldn't match the speaker-to-speaker timbral uniformity of the three identical PowerPoints. Also, as good as the Polk LSiC is, it contributes a mild "picket-fence" comb as you pass your head from one side to the other. The wide dispersion and identical dispersion pattern of the three front channel PowerPoints' coaxial driver systems not only avoids that, it almost avoids any indication of there being three separate soundfields up front. From one wall to the other, the sound is seamless.

The surround channels differ, as well. The Polk LSi7s are monopoles, as are the PowerPoints, but the surround effects coming from the Polks are far more speaker specific than the same sounds from the Thiels.

Now the Polks are no different from most other monopole speakers in this regard. While some people insist that only dipoles deliver the properly diffuse soundfield that movie-theater surround is known for, I've never been able to summon any great degree of passion one way or the other on the subject. I've heard great-sounding dipoles that generated truly non-locatable diffuse soundfields, but I've also known monopoles that performed just as convincingly.

The PowerPoints seemed to offer the best of both worlds, however. While I never found the Polks unsatisfying in my audition, I vastly preferred the atmospheric immersion the PowerPoints were capable of. It sounded "real"-er.

As a surround system, the PowerPoint/PSW650 system was the clear victor -- albeit at nearly twice the price. Things were on a much more equal footing when I compared the LSi15s as a stereo pair to a stereo pair of PowerPoints. The Thiels still had that seductive complete envelopment thang going -- I've seldom heard their equal at that trick at any price. But the LSi15s present an amazingly seamless sonic portrait that is difficult to fault -- and sure enough, even the coaxial PowerPoints were hard pressed to beat 'em at it. Call it a draw.

However, the Polks had far more low end -- and even lower midrange -- authority. The Thiels, like many stand-mounted monitors, just don't have the low end to compete with Polk's floorstanding bargains. Music has greater body and heft -- and sounds more believably anchored to this world -- with the LSi15s. And, just as with many minimonitors, the Thiels achieve a great deal of their U-R-There holography because they don't have to struggle with the bottom few octaves. Some people prefer this sound to the more realistic, but less detailed-sounding full-range reproduction of a larger speaker.

On the other hand, unlike stand-mounted monitors or the Polk LSi15, the Thiels offer that seductive sound without occupying any valuable real estate on the floor, which makes them all but invisible in the room. I almost said that's something you can't buy at any price -- except, of course, you can buy it for the price of a pair of Thiel PowerPoints.

Can a muse of fire exist under a ceiling of commerce?

The Thiel PowerPoints are speakers that were born of necessity and -- through Jim Thiel's design insights and Thiel's general construction integrity -- overcame the conventional shortcomings attributed to an entire class of loudspeakers. That's a pretty amazing story in itself.

But they sound so good they actually turn the audio world, ummm, upside down. Let me say this again: They almost totally disappear once mounted to the ceiling and painted to match it. They aren't inexpensive, but they are built to an extremely high level. Considering that you're buying a custom-molded enclosure with custom-built drivers and packed with exotic electronic parts, their price doesn't seem out-of-line at all.

And then, factor in the fact that you get all this and your uncluttered House & Garden décor to boot. I call that a bargain. I'm sold -- maybe floors do have better uses than holding up loudspeakers.

...Wes Phillips
wes@onhometheater.com

Thiel PowerPoint Surface-Mount Loudspeakers
Price: $1300 USD each
Warranty: Ten years parts and labor

Thiel Audio Products
1026 Nandino Boulevard
Lexington, KY 40511
Phone: (606) 254-9427
Fax: (606) 254-0075

Website: www.thielaudio.com


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